Follow the reddiquette as closely as you can. On the other hand, low tier cruisers are very squishy. 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children), reworked MAA comes with longer burst cooldown, [–]FoolsPryroGIB ℳ؋$₷₪¥₻i | "CLs are extremely overpowered" | UNOVI[S] 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago (0 children). If you can't tell, im not really a fan of this one either. Besides, how much of an issue are IFHE armed ships truly? You might wonder if the Flint is worth it in general. It would need a mm higher caliber for that. Not only will it go black and halve your damage after a short time shooting the superstructure, it will soon deplete completely and even if you hit the superstructure with 50,000 more shells every single shell is guaranteed to deal exactly 0 damage. You know, since they pen more maybe they have less explosive in them or something, dunno. You sit behind an island in Worcester all day. Or, more formally, "what is the shortest string containing all permutations of a set of n elements?" Yet, you have crazy amount of ships which would suck to play without or with less effective IFHE. This, in my opinion would be very good; a lot of new players don't have the points at those tier to spec IFHE and it's honestly laughable when a newb on a Dallas is shooting a T7 BB and just shattering. Minotaur has a huge heal and smoke to create opportunities for itself and survive mistakes neither of which Worcester does as well though and aside from just moving to prevent the over island firing from Worcester rushing one is also much easier since no torpedos. Seeing as 0.8.7's PT has listed nothing relevant to the proposed changes, even to cruiser side/deck plating, I don't think WG is planning to implement this soon either. Besides, you can just grab anti fire skills and you will be mostly fine. Twitch links shall not be posted in frequency. ... IFHE is een must vanaf de Akizuki vanwege de 100mm guns. I really don't see why it needs changing at all. Exodus of the light cruisers? Uninstalled after 6 years, nearly 8k games. Funnily enough, something like Kitakaze or Grozovoi could bowtank Henri's AP, whereas the CLs couldn't. But I'm very pro "Fire vanilla or Alpha with IFHE". An akizuki who can damage battleship nose, battleship tail and superstructure has 3x (300%) as much HP available before depletion strikes and naturally will be starting nose fires, tail fires and superstructure fires, all 3 against a battleship, instead of the only 1 fire of someone trying to "just aim at the superstructure" like a noob. Crossposting memes is allowed only if the content of the meme is related to World of Warships. It makes about as much sense as making a skill for Battleships like shorter fuses or something to turn AP into Semi-AP to mitigate over-penetrations... it just doesn’t make sense. At all. [–]iEatBacones[REPOI]Beep_Boop 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (1 child). For every light cruiser, this change alone would be big. [–]DragoSphere 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (2 children), I guess manual secondaries prevent you from hitting two targets with your secondaries, [–]Allegedly_HitlerMikasa Su Casa 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children), Secondaries are another thing that need a rework. So an Akizuki without IFHE could do 25% to a battleship and an akizuki with IFHE would now do 50% to a battleship. This whole thing seems like WG's usual MO of using the sledgehammer instead of the scalpel turned up to 11. Lets start by the general penetration changes to HE: Now, HE shells of most ships penetrate the armor, thinner than 1\6 of the caliber. Moderators reserve the right to remove any post or comment, ban any account, or take other moderation actions that may be needed at any point in time, regardless of stated rules, if the moderators believe it to be in the best interest of the community at large. But again, isn't "low" durability supposed to be the downside for low tier cruisers? I don't think the game will be similar in the future, even if the core things stay roughly the same (Battleship delete cruiser, cruiser delete Destroyer and Destroyer delete Battleship; Carrier will delete everyone slowly). The only reason I don’t take concealment expert first on all cruisers is if they need IFHE to do damage. Cruisers needed some help as they are BY FAR the squishiest ship type. Bigger guns are significantly heavier thus ship designers sacrificed the armour thickness on CA. -One of the bigger problems with IFHE in its current form is the 100mm IJN gunboats being able to spew out tons of shells that pen 32mm while still having great fire chance and destroyer dispersion while being protected from BB AP pens (except for Harugumo). Welcome Henry the Great, how would you like your Chapayev served? Weaker bow and stern armour in turn means that even 203mm already will have a good chance to pierce through CLs armour if the don't agle perfectly - showing either too much bow or too much broadside will leave you open to punishment, while hitting the sweet spot still renders you practically immune to 203mm from one angle. Boise/Nuevo de Julio exhibited this to a particular extreme with their super heal. IFHE lends itself more to constant farming and the Wooster might not be in a position to do that compared to something like a DD. (B). There is another nerf for IFHE which i would suggest. That's a pretty big change, considering that right now it's shatter city if you don't take IFHE. No, it really isn't, not when CLs are getting the same plating changes as CAs. [–]Zanurath -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago (0 children). The naval warfare doctrine then is that of the bigger the guns, the better. I finished Kitakaze's grind to Harugumo with: 69 battles, 63.77% WR, 84.4k Avg Dmg, 1971 WTR, and top 50 on wows-numbers leaderboard (and apparently the max XP game for it). The IFHE skill multiplies the shatter thickness by 1.3, with no rounding after the calculation. Following on from what I said above, I'm not sure why you think Atlanta is going to stay the way she is when even WG has acknowledged she is a particularly troublesome case to balance around the IFHE changes. [–]Vanzig 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago (4 children). | Privacy Policy | Contact Us | About Us |. ***** Tell us your server and get a referral code from a fellow /wowsg/ to get extra bonus credits/flags Also the new rounding that allows 152mm to damage 25mm. Plating of central part for tier X cruisers is brought to the value of 30 mm. You do so via [leaky text](#s). Either nerf the fires or the pen (which would suck) please not both. But for the Wooster it wouldn't feel that much different, maybe you get few less fires, but thats it. Frankly, if these changes stick, then IFHE should be bumped down to a 3 or 2 point skill in order to compensate. [–]TenguBladeNoots internally 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago (2 children). Yet, it means nothing to Warspite, Bayern, SinOP or pretty much any of the 380mm+ armed BBs. Thus, 21 mm x 1.3 = 27.3 mm to shatter the shell. Concerning BBs CLs can now take full advantage of their higher fire rate and take the Demolition Expert skill and maybe add flags to increase the fires started on them to staggering numbers, but for the most part accept that killing BBs is not their primary concern. I'd like to see that aspect improved (give US and RN CLs 10km radar, all CLs improved Defensive AA) rather than retaining their damage output. Látom streameken milyen szenvedés, és nincs idegzetem hozzá, hogy ki is próbáljam. This would make CL players actively switch ammo, as HE would be used on DDs or to start fires and overtax the damage control of bigger targets, while AP would be the go to ammo for raw damage, but would not be as brainless as IFHE HE because AP can overpen, shatter or bounce off. This rule is changed from "lower" to "equal or lower". You know exactly how nice it would be for the GK to actually pen 32mm. Currently, when you get under a stream of Worcester shells (as a T10 BB) you will be left with 30k less hp and have double fire on your deck. Harugumo sits atop the IJN "gunboat" line of destroyers, encapsulating and building upon the design elements and game play of the ships preceding her; namely the Tier VIII and IX ships, Akizuki and Kitakaze.Armed with ten 100 mm rifles and a single sextuplet torpedo launcher, she is a ship of absolutes; she has the highest base hit points of all Tier X … Either nerf the fires or the pen (which would suck) please not both. Yet, you have crazy amount of ships which would suck to play without or with less effective IFHE. Harugumo, Kitakaze Worcester, Kutuzov and Belfast, armed with IFHE are certainly some of the most unfun experiences to face. None of the intra-class balance (and a big part of why they're strong) is changing; they just need IFHE to damage BBs now. I don't think so, pen is generally round(caliber/6), in this case 18mm. [–]spamlame 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (2 children). Now, this all said and done, I don't fundamentally disagree with any of your suggestions, on the stipulation that the -1 rule still goes away and the plating changes remain. Talking about IFHE it's getting changed too. [–]Aken_Bosch 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children), [–]SappeREffecTLand Down Under -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago (0 children). You know how ham-fisted WG is with sweeping changes, they will keep it this way for half a year until everyone gets a sore throat from yelling at them, then change it and call it a 'fix'. Contato: contatoharuyuki@gmail.com Particularly egregious for me was the Malthael rework, which I saw as totally unnecessary and which proceeded to ruin my desire to play the hero. Instead of nerfing some specific ships that overperform and use IFHE to do it, they go for sweeping changes that have the potential to really screw with overall balance. Also I know how to play Worcester very well I’m giving you statistics from the game not my own, if IFHE change goes through as is Worcester is dead in the water since it’s ONLY advantage is that it was able to lay on the hurt but at huge risk now the risk is as high or higher but damage output was nerfed too. Colbert, 3s stock. USN/RU CLs). Spamming and trolling posts are not welcomed. Since most light cruisers need IFHE this would make them bit less effective firestarters, but not too by too much. Yet, it means nothing to Warspite, Bayern, SinOP or pretty much any of the 380mm+ armed BBs. The carrier changes, addition of these laaarge cruisers, spotting changes along with few others are already changing the way we play for the most part, but thats for the next post. Your email address will not be published. wows captain skills rework; wows captain skills rework . Realmente no encontraran algo especifico pero si cosas que tiene que ver con los … a.k.a. A good example of this is 127 mm guns. (Aunque haya gente que los use con IFHE, solo en el kiev toptier es 100% útil, en el resto es muy situacional, y se compensa jugando con el Ap) Por tanto: Es la build que mejor me funciona, sin gastar ningún punto en alguna habilidad de relleno poco útil para mi gusto. Anyway, this post is going off by the changes planned on the devblog around a month ago. Win-win? Increasing EVERY T6-T7 cruiser side plating to 25mm isn't just a magical *poof change you can just do. Along with this, it would highlight the differences between heavy and light cruisers by a tiny bit; heavy cruiser HE would smash stuff and light fires on a single salvo better and they have usually pretty useful AP, but their DPM would be less. Increase the fire penalty for above 139mm shells from -3% to -5%. I don't want to sound rude or condescending but the issue at hand could be solved just by knowing where to aim. Users may be exempted from this rule by the moderators if they are deemed to be providing content that is a ‘service to the WoWS community’, or if their posts contribute to a regular subreddit themed event. WG's current tradeoff for CLs comes from them being more susceptible to battleship fire, which is a weakness that's going away as all cruisers are getting reinforced midsection plating. Now i know the changes are entangled in a way that one affects the other, but i have to start somewhere. Its AA has already been gutted by the CV/AA rework. This will cause the ricochet of shells with a caliber up to 386 mm. Maybe when first added but now there is a ton of ships in game which are worthless without it. Required fields are marked *. The whole IFHE changes are more to do with how they affect the light cruisers (and some heavy cruisers), than DDs, but if they are implementing blanket changes, they need to ensure that it doesn't affect how DDs operate. I've played CL before IFHE were introduced. Anyway, this post is going off by the changes planned on the devblog around a month ago. [–]Bonesnapcall 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (1 child). If you also add those low tier heavy cruisers that 25mm plating (giving them some resistance from DDs and BBs), while also making its so that the HE pen for pretty much everything is buffed by +1mm, i personally think the game would improve. I already have a 19-pt captain with IFHE on the Wooster and won't drop the 500 dbls to respec him, but if/when the rework goes through it … This is the simpliest but could make IFHE more optional than mandatory. jinelcrimp8 posted a topic in World of Warships Hi I am unsure how to specc my captain on this ship seeing most of the tier X BBs have 38mm+ deck armor. And the IJN gunboats, especially Harugumo, do act more like CL than DD in handling. [–]charliedontsurf334 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children), [–]Zanurath -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago (14 children). So: Inertial Fuse for HE shells skill is increasing the penetration of HE shells by 20% and lowers the probability of causing fire by 50%. The point of the rework is to weaken the benefits of IFHE so it's not mandatory. This will cause the ricochet of shells with a caliber up to 357 mm. Sure, the direct damage they deal is lacking but still potent if you know where to hit and actually hitting the intended parts of ship, pending RNGesus' blessing on hit and fire chance. Except that T8+ CLs won't require IFHE to damage same-tier cruisers, and that all of them are getting reinforced midsection plating. The carrier changes, addition of these laaarge cruisers, spotting changes along with few others are already changing the way we play for the most part, but thats for the next post. I think your % damage reduction and module incapacitation mechanic is clever and creative, but I'm not sure "add another layer of mechanical complexity" in a mechanic that's exclusive to an already overly-complicated captain skill is the right solution. Making IFHE's effects weaker is perhaps not in the most constructive of ways to do so, but if it's supposedly too weak to be a straight upgrade to CLs, then it's no longer mandatory. Blizzard and I don't have a good relationship for when they rework heroes that I love. Light cruisers' inability to damage their peers with HE is a consequence of up-armoring against AP overmatch. Visit PayScale to research ship captain salaries by city, experience, skill, employer and more. Zonder IFHE ga je zelfs tegen andere DD's ten onder. Zag gisteren Mr_Gibbins met AFT en IFHE + range mod. Either cruisers/DD guns will be basically worthless with HE or ship armor will be basically worthless against HE. Now? Minotaur is kinda the same story, extra armor will propably just hurt you allowing more shit to stick instead of going through. Is it just me or is WG reaally trying to increase the tiering differences? Moderators reserve the right to ban users or remove posts and comments in regards to intent. But battleships will still be able to penetrate ships' bow and aft ends, because only the plating of the central part is changed. Supposedly high tier cruisers will get 1/5 penetration, but that means they'll still need IFHE to penetrate 32 mm of armor (which is absolutely necessary to damage battleships directly). Win-win? This would make IFHE A non mandatory pick for some of these lower tier cruisers. Re-balancing ships on a one off basis is a ton of work compared to adjusting a global object. However, i would love to see 25mm plating on heavy cruisers at T6-T7. 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