Everybody agrees that the Allies beat Germany in two world wars and that the United States lost in … With this, Germany is reunified under a Communist Government as well, as is the nation's capital of Berlin. But alas, they would be mostly ignored by the Government and the USA stays involved in the Vietnam War and/or other conflicts in Southeast Asia, so the US Military would be involved in Vietnam and Southeast Asia several more years in this alternate reality. (interruption) Oh, yeah. What is it? (Part 1: Nazi Germany), JohnnyOTGS/John's crazy world~A few Misconceptions about Christopher Columbus, JohnnyOTGS/Johnny's Crazy States~Some States became states early, JohnnyOTGS/Johnny's Crazy States~How the States got their names (Part 1), JohnnyOTGS/Johnny's Crazy States~How the States got their names (Part 2), JohnnyOTGS/Johnny's Crazy World Special~The History of Time Zones, JohnnyOTGS/Johnny's Crazy World Special~The History of Thanksgiving, JohnnyOTGS/Johnny's Crazy States~America's Belts, Castlevania Portrait of Ruin Walkthrough (Intro & Castle Entrance Pt. All it is, is a vehicle to be hypercritical in the identity politics fashion of the American left. Because it was nothing but white men in charge of the space program in this show. But, American isolation wouldn't last for long. He wanted to know what would have happened if the Soviet Union had won the Cold War. Well, there's a television show out there that tackles the premise in the same way. Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. What would the world be like if Communism would spread its influence around the world? ” It predicted the demise of the Soviet system, most likely in a conflict with China. The Cold War was a time that struck fear into Soviet citizens, US citizens and many other people around the world. Of course, I'm right, and as I watch tech blogs, media critics, they love this show -- and you know why? Thus, the ground invasion of Japan (Operations Downfall and Coronet) is underway. By analyzing the physical conflicts, technological aspects and scale of this worldwide conflict, one can see the deep layering and complications to this. Joined: Feb 7, 2002 Messages: 3,905 Location: I'm not there anymore. Even in this Alternate Reality, the USA would still get involved in the Vietnam War, and because the USA would get itself more involved in this war than they ever did in our reality, the Hippie Counterculture Movement and ant-war protests are much more prominent. My topic is outlined in the thread title. But, I mean (chuckles), America would really not be what it is if that had happened. The USA is also dealing with a bigger oil crisis in the '70s in this alternate reality (especially with oil-rich nations of the middle east leaning more towards favoring the Soviets), and due to this, the USA poorly deals with the situation which also leads to the inflation of the US Dollar, making life in the US all the more difficult. Weird. What if~The Axis Powers won World War 2? I will be using the Red World mod and Millennium Chaos for this AI only campaign. We could have so much better. What if~The White Army won the Russian Civil War? The Soviets had better luck when they declare war on Japan, not only did they invade Manchuria to drive out the Japanese, but they also invade the Korean Peninsula and even the northern regions of Japan (Northern Honshu and Hokkaido. I started to watch this show, and I had to turn it off in the second episode, 'cause it's nothing but a left-wing political screech vehicle. In this new USSR, and though you don't have to worry about the massive executions in "Stalin's USSR" but alas, you're being monitored 24/7 for absolutely everything, though you don't have to worry about being "Erased" or sent to a Gulag for being critical of the Government, but it could leave you humiliated, your life would be destroyed. But there is no more Soviet Union, no Berlin Wall, no Gulag. RUSH: Who was next on the phones? Lv 7. By the 1960s and '70s, the USSR took a more......................................Conservative stance. Eventhough Beria is like Khrushchev in a lot of ways, but he is better at handling big serious projects (since in our reality he was one to lead the Soviet Nuclear weapon project. The Soviet Empire, once the terror of the world, began to unravel. [Dictionary 1] The United Nations does not wage war (or proxy war): its peacekeeping military actions are instead police actions. But it's another one of these "America sucks. Do we know if the Western Allies planned to dismember the USSR 1991-style if they would've went to war against the USSR and won? I’m gonna take this question. But politically, the USA was 100 times more stable than the USSR. There are many theories of why Soviet communism collapsed and the Cold War ended. In this alternate reality, President Roosevelt keeps his Vice-President Henry A. Wallace when he ran for an unprecedented 4th term. What if the Soviet Union won the Cold War? The United States bled the Soviets dry through proxy wars and the nuclear arms race. Now, I know some of you know the show I'm talking about. Founded in 1996, the Institute currently employs scholars and administrative staff. 31), Code 3 - Kansas Underpass Tornado - April 26 1991, https://johnny-otgs-world.fandom.com/wiki/What_if%7EThe_Soviet_Union_won_the_Cold_War%3F?oldid=3957. But they didn't! By 1989, it seemed that the USSR's fate was finally written, as Romania has staged a successful uprising and pushed their Soviet Occupiers out of their nation. By winning, I mean them as the sole world superpower, which may involve the US collapsing. The question is now is would he use Atomic Bombs on Japan. Speculative History: Jul 16, 2014: Similar History Discussions; How was the USSR after Stalin? He was calling from where? For one thing, Wallace would probably reject in any way to help rebuild Europe. What if the Soviets had beaten us to the Moon? You gotta just Google search the two words I mentioned, and it will tell you. Until next time, this is JohnnyOTGS signing out. 'Cause it's all about left-wing identity politics. This may (or may not) set the stage for war very similar to what we saw in Korea in our reality. Best show ever on this network." Source(s): My imagination, I love the Soviet Union, know a lot about the Cold War, ect. If the Soviets had beaten us to the Moon, our space program would have been so much better than it was." I told Snerdley, "Make sure he doesn't go away," but he had to go away. Soviets truly winning the Cold War is impossible as it would not really end until one of the sides ceased to exist or was severely weakened. It didn’t. Now, there's already a wiki page on these kinds of operations, so just click here to know of the operations in more detail. We try to focus... (interruption) What? So, the wars in Central America, Southeast Asia and now the racial wars in the South are becoming more difficult endeavors for the US. He would also wouldn't reject the Soviets who would invade Persia (modern-day Iran) and even possibly set up a puppet Soviet Government in the region as well. Now, the situation is a little different. Now, this scenario is definitely "Ridiculously Unrealistic" as there is no chance for the Soviets to win the Cold War. There's a reason I wanted Darrell to hold on. I couldn't get past the first episode of it. Never mind. You're gonna watch it, and it will defeat the whole purpose here of my criticizing it. With all this in place, the USSR would be *the* world's superpower with the USA now being isolated. So Darrell calls: "What woulda happened if the Soviet Union had won the Cold War?" The first leader of this Soviet state was the Marxist revolutionary Vladimir Lenin.The Soviet Union was supposed to be “a society of true democracy,” but in many ways it was no less repressive than the czarist autocracy that … Human Rights are also something that the Soviet Government will try to pass (especially women who are wanting to be equal to their male counterparts, especially with 800,000 women that fought in World War 2 and because they too can fight and die for the Motherland, they too can get real jobs like the men and get the same kind of education as men do.). In our reality, Truman would approve what is now famously known as "The Marshal Plan" to help the war-torn European Landscape, and he believes that if he tried to approve any kind of policy that would just upset the Soviets would mean to bring the 2 nations to war. Lenin Nuclear Station) reactor #4 violently exploded, leaving 31 dead, thousands displaced and the nearby towns of Chernobyl and Pripyat were considered hazard zones. It was also one of the most politically successful doctrines in Cold War history, resulting in a Soviet pullout from Afghanistan, the … Who thinks this way? Back in America, Wallace would lose the next presidential election as people are in favor of isolation and elect a President that will vow to keep America isolated, and with this America is now once again a neutral nation. Yeah, the new USSR might be a world power. In 1983, the USSR had elected Mikhail Gorbechev to be the new Premier, and he has called for many reforms on Soviet Politics (very much how China today is doing). But with the Berlin Blockade in 1948, this would trigger the Cold War. The Cold War was not about military conquest; it was a clash of worldviews. It is widely believed that owing to the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, the US won the Cold War by default. But that doesn't mean life is so "Easy Peasy" for your average Soviet person in this new USSR. It was a Third World nation with a First World military. Women's rights are considered a joke and the Government will only support "Traditional American Values" plus the Governments in Central America are moving more and more left politically which is causing to nationalize American companies which make America lash out, and the next president the USA elects orders for a massive buildup in it's military to ready troops to go to either Central America or Southeast Asia as the USA's infamous "Red Scare" is much more prominent in this alternate reality, so any message sent out my politicians such as Joe McCarthy is much more prominent as well. By the 1980's the problems for the USSR quickly began to mount. By the late 1980s, the Culminations in the USSR allowed it to kind of re-organize the USSR into a brand new kind of USSR (meaning "The Union of Soviet Sovereign Republics) where the republic in the USSR can handle their domestic affairs, but when it comes to foreign affairs and defense, it still ties them into the central government. But first, this page needs to give you a history lesson. The US Government would have no choice but to accept this as they don't want the nation to dissolve into another Civil War (especially with the nations' nuclear weapons stockpile). But first, this page needs to give you a history lesson. It also didn't help that he stirred up some controversy in our reality when he converted to Russian Orthodox Christianity and thus he was sympathetic to the Soviets. In 1917 revolutionary Bolsheviks overthrew the Russian czar and four socialist republics were established. The USA would also try to take back any of the states that have seceded from the union (such as Texas and others). All this would happen even if the Soviet Union "won" the Cold War. I'm saying, "What is the purpose of this?" Five ways the Soviet Union could have won the Cold War In 1969, a Soviet dissident named Andrei Amalrik wrote an essay called “Will the Soviet Union Survive Until 1984? Soviet Conservatism is about the using of currency and the rift between the classes. i am kinda of a big "what if" guy. The Soviet were not a competing, massive cultural powerhouse. what if the soviet union won the cold war For the cold war to never happen The USA would have had to accept Communism as an alternative way of … No, it wasn't! The Cold War started in 1947 and ended when the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991. 1), Castlevania Portrait of Ruin Walkthrough (Dracula, The Lord of Darkness & Death Pt. He wanted to know what would have happened if the Soviet Union had won the Cold War. However, it may be that the USSR’s ‘loss’ and subsequent emergence of the Russian Federation put Russia ahead of the game. What if~The Russian Revolution never happened? Difficult this as no-one 'won' it - part of why it was 'Cold' was that there wasn't really any great goal - more of an imagined threat from the rather loose Communist ambition of overthrowing the capitalist system. 0 2. Effectively, the USSR has won the cold war, a position of unchallenged global dominance, with the other major players only able to defend themselves, but not prevent the USSR from taking anywhere else. The Cold War was waged on political, economic, and propaganda fronts and had only limited recourse to weapons. So, what woulda happened had the Soviets had won Cold War? Of course, the Soviets could just use a book of spells and make everything go their way as this scenario (as stated before) ridiculously unrealistic. What If the Soviet Union Won the Cold War (Hearts of Iron 4)? But, this page has to ask. It's like if I pick something out that I don't like and start focusing on it, all I'm doing is creating curiosity about it, causing people to check it out, which is the exact opposite of what I want to happen. Historians who believe that the U.S. won the Cold War largely agree that American victory was guaranteed through finances. If the United States had truly won the Cold War, NATO would be history, and the US would have turned its swords to plowshares. How Ronald Reagan won the Cold War. No. The subject of the 2009 conference was The Cold War. Nationally syndicated by Premiere Networks, The Rush Limbaugh Show broadcasts on more than 650 stations and is heard by millions of people each month. The USSR responds to keep the USA from expanding and at the same time try not to risk nuclear war by introducing their weapons to their closest neighbors and allies while condemning the Americans for their war crimes. It isn't gonna be hard now. Let's say he wins once again, and then dies around the same time as he did in our reality, that would mean in this alternate reality Wallace would become President. What if the Soviet Union won the Cold War? But this really is not the case. I've often had a saying, "'If' is for children," and "what-ifs?" are for infants. Eventually, the disaster was assessed, but the USSR did little to help it. 33), Castlevania Dawn of Sorrow Walkthrough (Menance Pt. Johnny OTGS World Wikia is a FANDOM Lifestyle Community. Amicalement Armand This would spread to other European nations such as France and Italy as they would establish their communist governments. so in simplified terms capitalism falls to communism. Also by the 1980s the USA finally elects a President that tries to improve the nation's current status by improving relations with the USSR, unfortunately for the USA, these decisions are too little, too late as the writing is on the wall for the USA. When I say "Conservatism" it doesn't mean "American Conservatism", this kind of Conservatism is very different then what is known in America. Alternate History Question: What if the Soviet Union won the Cold War? (interruption) Well, the same with me. we stayed in vietnam to long, my teacher told me if we stayed to long like say mid 80s than the US would face serious debt and a horrendous body count. Okay, not *slugged* it out, just bickering at one another, but that is not to say that they never came close to it. After World War II, the United States’ standing army likely would have shrunk back to the small peacetime numbers that existed for most of our history if it weren’t for the Cold War. Plus, South Japan is still willing to take back the northern part of the nation. "What if the Soviets had won the Cold War?". Just scroll down to the "What if" category if you want to know what the world would be like if the Soviets won the Cold War. To have a winner, one must have a loser. Find it on your own. We want to watch." For nearly 50 years, the United States and the Soviet Union have slugged it out. Thus the USSR has risen from the ashes of Stalin's cruel reign and become the ultimate world power. What if~France lost the Hundred Years War? White men were evil and rotten, and they didn't let women do anything, didn't let African-Americans do anything -- and in this show, the Soviets beat us and humiliate us and embarrass us. Not to mention that the US Military is having a very hard time keeping a full staff on hand as more and more people are refusing to enlist and those who are already in the Military rather turn on their COs than follow orders. The first nation that would feel this would be Greece as the Soviets would enter Greece and rebuild it (which in our reality was one of the reasons to initiate the Marshal Plan. What if~General MacArthur used Nukes on China? What would … I have been thinking about discussing this for the past month, and I decided against it ’cause I didn’t want to call attention to this. Under Beria, he would work in De-Stalinization where he would close the Soviet Gulags and denounce his cult of personality, he would also improve food production and even have the idea of improving national health care as well. What was his name? A proxy war is defined to be "a war fought between groups of smaller countries that each represent the interests of other larger powers, and may have help and support from these". In US and soviet union cold war , america and soviet union had nuclear weapons in much quantity by this quantity earth can finished many times . I even understood the premise and I couldn't get through the first episode. Okay. Five Ways the Soviet Union Could Have Won the Cold War. What would the world be like if Communism would spread its influence around the world? I mean, if we are talking about USSR in 70’s - 80’s I doubt anyone would be building communism. The USSR would also come up with a more powerful political organization called the "Paris Pact" which includes some Communist nations in Asia (including China and Korea). On top of that, the USA would have to make all of the wrong decisions and everything would have to go wrong for the USA. By the 1980's in the USSR (very much how China is today in our reality) is just communist in name as they formed a market socialist economy and they also decide to not go to war in the middle east (such as Afghanistan) seeing how the USA was dealing with their wars in Central America and Southeast Asia and decide to not repeat their mistakes. Just scroll down to the "What if" category if you want to know what the world would be like if the Soviets won the Cold War. Others ask, "What is it, Rush? Their battle to see who was the greater superpower was one that people even today still talk about. The United States did not "win" the cold war, period. What if the Soviet Union won the Cold War? In the USSR's case, by the 1960s and '70s, members of the Soviet Politburo lived the high life where they lived in fancy homes (or apartments) ate at fancy restaurants, had fancy means of transportation and went on vacation to exotic locales, where the people of the lower class found it difficult to feed themselves.......or in some cases (especially for the poor) basically starved to death. The world had just been introduced to the astonishing power of nuclear weapons when the US essentially erased Nagasaki and Hiroshima from the earth at the end of WWII. (chuckles) Well, you wouldn't want any part of it, and the first people that would have been imprisoned are the very leftist journalists and advocates who think they would get most favored nation status of the Soviet leaders or communist leaders. For a brief period, Stalin's trusted advisor and chief of the Soviet Secret Police Lavrenty Beria held power, that is until he was ousted by Hardline Soviet Leaders who were being led by Nikita Khrushchev. The new USSR would also have to deal with radical religious terrorist groups as this alternate reality progresses to the 21st century, other communist nations (such as China) may begin to resent the new USSR as they'll begin to believe that the New USSR is too soft and a brand new leader of this communist world is needed. Here are a few of them to consider: Ronald Reagan and his “evil empire” speech; Chemistry between Reagan and Gorbachev; But I had to turn it off. What if the USSR won the Cold War? They put up Pro-Democracy/Anti-Communism propaganda in magazines and even wall posters too. And of course such defeat of either side trough war is impossible without triggering MAD. How could this be done? Now for that question, what if the Soviet Union won the Cold War? But perhaps the biggest one came in 1953 with the death of Josef Stalin and he had left with no official successor. Well, there's a television show out there that tackles the premise in the same way. Discussion in 'World History' started by Switch625, Aug 16, 2002. America’s goal was not to militarily conquer the Soviet Union but to bring economic and political freedom to Russia. But, things in America are not as progressive as they are in the USSR. (interruption) Pineville? But first, this page needs to give you a history lesson. But you see, folks, there was no way that was going to happen. These "what-if?" Later that year, the Berlin Wall was finally torn down, reuniting the city that was for several decades separated by the 2 warring factions of Democracy and Communism. The US Military suffered more casualties than they did during the rest of the war. So, the Cold War comes to an official end with the USSR coming out on top and thus the world enters a new age, where communism and socialism reign supreme, but not all is well in this alternate age. Less than a year after Reagan left office, the Berlin Wall fell. Don't forget to check out my Games and Movies wikis as well. Or at the very least, could the USSR have survived until today and remained a viable competitor with the United States? Do you realize how much, by the way, that limits me? What if the Soviets had beaten us to the Moon?
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